Is Gogeta fast enough to land his attacks? Goku said Broly was probably stronger than Beerus and Gogeta was stronger than Broly by a lot after he went SSJB. Gogeta can use Instant Transmission, when only Goku not Vegeta knows it, so simple logic would say that Gogeta probably knows UI as well. We still haven't seen Beerus at his full power. Well watch that part again, while transforming all the gods including Beerus stood in awe of MUI goku, of course u can interpret it however you want, but the fact is that the dragonballverse strong characters worship power and they wouldn’t act this way out of jealousy or surprise but from overwhelming power. SSjB Gogeta is an equal "trump card" to Vegetto according to a Words of Saint Paul in Weekly Jump. It was just an idea that came to me when I was thinking, Comment or give advice or requests below. I would add this one caveat....if Gogeta can hang long enough for MUI to fail...remember Goku can not sustain this form at will in the anime canon. It is also stated by multiple people with even more skill than Goku that Jiren is greater than Gods of Destruction, to which is own God of Destruction confirmed. I still say Gogeta > Vegito) but Goku/Vegeta are stronger than Kale/Caulifa, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. After defeating Baby, he wants to fight Gogeta now! Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, someone who according to Goku, who has not seen Beerus's full power, MIGHT be stronger than him. re: CUI Goku vs SsjB Gogeta The whole point of UI is that the user's body moves freely and cannot be touched (granted exceptions can be made) but if Gogeta can't hit Goku then he can't win. Goku beats ssjb Gogeta Doesn't make sense. 1 - Gogeta SSJB 2 - Jiren [Limit Breaker] — Nessa forma ele, em determinado momento do combate, deixou Goku MUI comendo poeira. Gogeta is more powerful...which gives him the victory. I'd say SSB Gogeta takes it since we know raw power, speed, and skill can match UI like Jiren was able to. Both are bloodlusted and going all out from start. Follow ... Goku said Broly was probably stronger than Beerus and Gogeta was stronger than Broly by a lot after he went SSJB. They didn’t fuse in the show because it’s risky to fuse as you might lose two fighters in one attack. Gogeta is definitely far more powerful but MUI is basically untouchable. He used one powerful move after another and kept going and beating broly without stopping or ever going out of breath. If this was kaioken x 20 SSB Goku vs SSJ4 Gogeta, ... then SSB, then kaioken or complete SSB (if you follow the manga instead) and then UI which is massively stronger on top of it. Long story short jiren had tougher time then broly fighting Vegeta and goku, @karkus: forgot to tag you, sorry look ^^. Gogeta blue. People might say that MUI will just dodge everything, but Jiren was shown to even overpower mui and land shots on him. I get that they're fusions (although different types. Broly was only stated by goku to possibly be on Beerus level. Blue is above ssj god. re: CUI Goku vs SsjB Gogeta quote PFM18 People are basing all of their arguments in Jiren's favor simply based on the word "probably" as if this single word overrides other explicit evidence. Jiren was only able to match MUI goku for a short period of time, as the rest of the gods and angels stated goku power and speed kept going up and by the time he went into rage he curbed jiren. You are indeed where you belong. MUI Goku could beat Broly, but it’d be a tough battle, similar to jiren vs MUI Goku. I think by doing this the show is implying that the MUI transformation puts someone on another level compared to fusing. UI goku should be a little above gogeta but below blue gogeta. Broly wasn't stronger than SSJB Gogeta.Maybe Broly was stronger then Gogeta but was just getting exhausted by a fresh fighter, he was tanking all of his attacks which included the Soul Punisher. It's not explicitly stated that they're equally powerful, but given that the Fusion technique that forms Gogeta is less reliable and can result in failed fusions, it being a more general term would only imply that Gogeta is more powerful. ~ Gogeta's fusion has no time limit. Jiren is only stated to be stronger then his universe god of destruction which was shown to be weaker then Beerus. Ssj god allowed goku to actually have a battle with beerus when ssj3 got put down in 2 taps like a child. Now jiren beat UI GOKU but it wasn't a slaughter. This was in promo material, so if you accept it then Broly is stronger than Jiren, as there are many promo statements saying Broly is the strongest opponent so far. As for your scale it’s redundant to have goku and jiren twice at the same scale, but if your insisting then the scale between MUI goku and jiren will look like this, Rage MUI goku > LB jiren > initial MUI goku > full power jiren, well nonetheless MUI goku still surpassed Beerus, him being able to achieve something Beerus couldn’t after eons of training. Goku said probably, meaning he’s not sure. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! 2. Ultra Instinct Goku is possibly stronger than SSJB Gogeta. He was in top shape at all times and wasn't affected once by broly's attacks. Gogeta would probably out last him since UI only lasted for a few minutes. He boasts significantly superior showings of power and feats. Current Gogeta Blue is way stronger than UI Goku from T.o.P but a hypothethical current UI Goku should be probably stronger. Gogeta is simply not powerful enough to bypass his UI defenses. You guys mentally eject UI Goku being angel level after just trading with such power and being stated to be EQUAL in ability with it. VIEW OLDER REPLIES. UI goku should be a little above gogeta but below blue gogeta. SSJB Vegito is definitely stronger than UI Goku. I think it's safe to say they're comparable, if not exactly on-par. Yes the events are different but it was never shown or stated in the anime that Belmod is stronger/on par with Beerus and in the manga Beerus is clearly stronger so unless you have something to contradict that Beerus > belmod. MUI Goku: > (21 × ToP SSjB Goku)SSjB Gogeta:** > (20 × Broly SSjB Goku + 20 × Broly SSjB Vegeta). 0. 1 year ago. That's one interpretation of it. UI Omen Goku is a few tiers agead of SSJ Gogeta. At max 3 minutes.plus MUI goku didn't always dodged jiren. The part about goku statement is correct, can not argue differently. Conditions: ~ Both are from the Broly Movie. Even a full powered kamehameha didn't put any burden on him or showed him breathing heavily or out of breath. ~ Goku's CUI has no strain and 3 - Jiren [Full Power] 4 - Deuses da Destruição [Top Tier], Broly [Full Power] 5 - Jiren [Suprimido] 6 - Deuses da Destruição [Mid/Low Tier] 1 - Gogeta SSJB 2 - Jiren [Limit Breaker] 3 - Jiren [Full Power] Jiren has way more consistent God of Destruction strength and skill feats than Broly, who is raw power. Gogeta is stronger. UI goku is half of gogeta. Obs: Goku do torneio do poder Goku: Whis comparou Goku I.S presságio 3º vez diretamente com os hakaishins (4:30-4:57): Esse Goku lutou contra Jiren que foi di Gogeta SSJB (Filme) vs Goku MUI (Anime) MUI also got time limit since goku cant hold it much longer. It's worth noting that, as of Dragon Ball Super: Broly, Goku and Vegeta should be at least as powerful as they were in the Tournament of Power arc. He effortlessly stomped someone stronger than Beerus. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. There’s a reason they didn’t use MUI Goku lol, they wanted vegeta involved too. [mention]Paula Nabussa[/mention] escreveu: “Não sei que luta vocês assistiram, mas Goku MUI limpou o chão com a cara do Jiren antes mesmo de sofrer rage, Gogeta SSJB (Filme) vs Goku MUI (Anime) - Página 2 I'm still not convinced MUI gives a power level multiplier, as there is nothing to suggest UI is anything but a fighting technique, not a transformation like SSJ, but I agree with the analysis. Hmmm hard to say, MUI Goku is most likely faster but all other categories should be in favour of Gogeta. Gogeta seems to be capable of his own hax as well. This is Insanity . Who the heck says Beerus (Full Power) is stronger than MUI Goku? MUI Goku stomps. Winner by incap ( incap for Gogeta is also getting knocked out of fusion or Goku getting k.oed by breaking limits like in the show), This was on here before I think, general consensus is that, Raw Power and Strength Wise: SSB Gogeta (And I guess Vegito) > MUI Goku, But MUI has his dodge bot and speed to somewhat compensate, Then again Jiren didn't have UI but his raw power was so great he could compete with Goku in MUI and even beat him down until he got his rage boost, which I doubt Gogeta would somehow induce unless it's a timeline against timeline thing and Gogeta is evil or in a Goku black way, Fusion Multipliers are just way too broken, Base Gogeta is stronger then SSB Goku and Vegeta, and SSJ seems like it would be equal to Kaioken/evolution or even UI -Sign-/Incomplete, SSB is Way fucking up there, Bloodlusted wouldn't help too much for goku, I dont think Base Gogeta is >> SSB Goku though, Goku was able to do what Base Gogeta was just as easily. SSB Gogeta vs UI Goku Krasny. One can also say that Beerus was very surprised and somewhat jealous that Goku mastered UI so fast. I am still not 100% sure but I think MUI Goku would win. Gogeta should win. Now that the battle is leaked does Gogeta have enough to beat UI Goku? Broly might have the upper hand in battle power, but if we are going by speculation (since it’s not confirmed) Beerus might have a transformation up his sleeve. Jiren did put some beating on him initially but he just refused to go down. At the height of the power weve seen them have on screen (so that's Gogeta Blue when he fought Broly) (edited by administrators) Gogeta Autonomous Ultra Instinct (ability) Autonomous Ultra Instinct Dragon Ball Super: Broly. Blue is above ssj god. Exactly, what I think. Just Jiren more-so Goku said Broly was far stronger than himself. Blue gogeta casually slapped broly and he had more power ups at his desposal (vegeta’s blue evolution form and goku’s kaioken), MUI goku >=blue gogeta>Beerus>=jiren>broly. 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